Seeing more bullshit "HTML is a programming language" discourse, and uh, damnit
HTML meets some definitions of programming language, but would be way less useful if it was used that way.
Stop gate keeping Programmer as the only Good profession and understand that other roles and jobs are as valuable, and as part of the tech ecosystem. Programmer is not the Best Job or the Good Job, it's a fucking role and people who don't do it aren't lesser, so telling a designer they're a programmer because HTML is fucking patronizing and degrading to *their actual skills and profession*.
HTML meets some definitions of programming language, but would be way less useful if it was used that way.
Stop gate keeping Programmer as the only Good profession and understand that other roles and jobs are as valuable, and as part of the tech ecosystem. Programmer is not the Best Job or the Good Job, it's a fucking role and people who don't do it aren't lesser, so telling a designer they're a programmer because HTML is fucking patronizing and degrading to *their actual skills and profession*.
Ryan Germann :verified:
•JavaScript is a programming language that operates very well on HTML's DOM.
Calling HTML a "programming language" is disingenuous. Nothing is being "programmed".
silverwizard
My problem is the side that says it's degrading to say it *isn't* because they think that only programmers get the seal of Good.
Ryan Germann :verified:
•Arguably, anyone suggesting HTML, in and of itself, is a "programming language" says more about their notions of software development and "programming" than it says about HTML. Srsly.
Ryan Germann :verified:
•HTML should not be equated with "Web site design" nor "web application development" because you can absolutely design a Web site and hardly use any HTML at all.
silverwizard
Is <script> HTML
Is CSS HTML?
Is DOM manipulation programming?
What about browser?
If you send a message from one computer to another containing instructions, is that programming?
What if you only control the message contents?
Make sure to answer in a way that doesn't remove PHP or Ruby on Rails.
But that is a fight I have no dog in, sorry.
Ryan Germann :verified:
•<h1> is not an instruction. It means nothing without a specific piece of software, and the fact that the rendering of content wrapped in <h1></h1> is not consistent across user agents and can be altered by also-not-html CSS or JavaScript reinforces that in my mind.
PHP is not HTML. PHP can contain bits of HTML for rendering.
HTML in and of itself is not a programming language.
silverwizard
mail() means nothing without a different piece of software, and its behaviour changes between different computers on which I personally run it
Ryan Germann :verified:
•silverwizard
I am not a programmer, and offended by the idea that being a programmer is more valuable than the other professions that occur in a tech company
like this
ltning and Hypolite Petovan like this.
Ryan Germann :verified:
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