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What are your thoughts of the tradition of lying to children about things like the Tooth Fairy, Santa & the Easter Bunny?

#Parenting #Poll #DadLife #ParentLife

  • Pro - I don't have kids (What's the harm?) (20%, 32 votes)
  • Pro - I do have kids (What's the harm?) (24%, 37 votes)
  • Against - I don't have kids (31%, 48 votes)
  • Against - I do have kids (24%, 37 votes)
154 voters. Poll end: 3 months ago

in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

It's pretending, not lying. And that's exactly how we handled it. If the kid asks "Is this REALLY true..?" then they're old enough to know that it's not.

Or better yet, to learn that it's not literally true, but that collective imagination has power.

Or actually, to get more specific, I read them all Terry Pratchett, so all I really had to do was tell them that Santa Claus is an ANTHROPOMORPHIC PERSONIFICATION in the same voice I read it in! :raccoon_cool:

in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

It may be a good lesson for children to find out that figures of authority lie and are not totally trustworthy.
in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

it isn't lying.

There may be many people who wear the uniform, and even more who do the job. None of that makes the postie less real, why would it for Santa?

Both of mine were *delighted* to be invited to the other side of the curtain to help create the magic. They've each been tooth fairy for the other, and both sneak down in the early hours of Christmas Day to set up surprises for the whole family.

in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

Teaching children that adults in positions of power will casually lie to them about trivial (big picture) but important (to them) things is a powerful and useful lesson; also, it gives you a very good opportunity to model a proper apology, once they are of/wise enough not to spoil their schoolmates beliefs/relationship with their parents.
in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

I'm pro-telling stories and myths, anti-lying

We started telling our first child about Santa but he asked a LOT of questions. Making up answers seemed more and more like just gaslighting, so we let him in on it pretty quickly.

It's still fun, btw. Now instead of fooling the child you are now a co-conspirator.

"Santa is a story that people like to tell. Some children believe it's really true..."

in reply to dr πŸ› οΈπŸ›°οΈπŸ“‘πŸŽ§

@davidr When I was a child many decades ago, we kind of knew, but never asked. There was a benefit, we did not want to threaten. πŸ˜‰ My question would be is the Santa story still being actively promoted? My guess is by a smaller % than 6 decades ago.
in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

We were (my kid is now 33) all in on Santa, because that’s just easier. But it was always the Easter Chicken (rabbits don’t lay eggs) and the Tooth Circus… well, little person is the appropriate phrase, but we used the derogatory m-wordβ€”who’s name was Hank.

Now my 33 year old has 6 year old, and we’re keeping the tradition going!

#skepticism and #humor from an early age!

in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

@Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson we tell our kids about the tooth fairy and Santa Claus but we also explain that it's a game we play as an excuse to give our kids presents because we love them

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in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

Telling these stories certainly primes kids to believe in other absurd stories such as sky father ...
Unknown parent

Lee Fife - old account
that requires that the parents have undergone that realization ...
in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

We never skipped the tradition, but we also told them from the beginning that 1. It's a fun way for us to show how much we love them and 2. It's fun for other parents and their kids too even if they don't share the truth, so please don't spoil it.

Older kid let us know she was gay in passing during normal conversation because she didn't think it was any big deal, and I thank our policy of 100% openness for that

Even when Mom and I are mad at each other, we don't hide it from them. Instead we tell them "It's OK, if we didn't care about each other we wouldn't have strong feelings like this. We'll talk it out like we always do, EVERYBODY has disagreements and that's not a bad thing.

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Unknown parent

@nomdeb

I remember learning that there is no Santa Claus.
I still remember the grief and the devastation that my parents had lied to me.

For the child that fully buys the lie, the revelation is no small thing.

in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

I feel like it's a bad idea to make kids grow up wondering what *else* the grownups in their life have been gaslighting them about the whole time.

And I *suspect* you can keep the magic alive by just introducing kids to the concept of kayfabe at a young age. But as a non-parent, I haven't tested this hypothesis.

in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

I was lied to as a child. My mother carefully explained how mirrors worked then a few weeks later she claimed the devil was on my shoulder.
in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

For me, the myths we give our children in childhood that they get to, eventually, outgrow is better than indoctrination in a religion which demands that adults accept magical thinking.
Unknown parent

Nomdeb WILL RESIST
@Edelruth as an atheist all my life I cannot begin to imagine how hard it must be to separate from not only the original beliefs one has been taught, but also the people you most trusted as a child, to guide you.
in reply to Nomdeb WILL RESIST

@nomdeb @Edelruth

Yeahh...it's a lot to unpack. I'm going on 3 decades of work & the project is not complete.

#ReligiousTrauma & generational trauma is an underapreciated contribution to the current state of the world. Maybe even the primary cause.

#Exvangelical

in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

As a card carrying adult, I still "believe".
Is Santa living in the North Pole? No, Santa is the personification if the giving spirit.
Is the Easter Bunny hiding candy? No, the Bunny is the personification of Spring. Tooth Fairy is growth. Rainbow Bridge is grief. The monster is your room is uncertainty.
Just like we speak for our animals, we give faces/voices to ideas to make them easier to grok.
in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

It is absolutely lying. My parents tried to perpetuate the issue with my son, which was even worse: that they didn't recognise the damage done first time round and went for a second shot.
in reply to Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson

They are real!!! They are busy and I need to help out a bit, that's all.
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