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The confidence that tech trainers seem to have that all messaging over Port 80 is unencrypted baffles me

It's just so outside my experience

@silverwizard Is it application-encrypted traffic over HTTP or non-443 HTTPS?
@Hypolite Petovan it totally depends, there's so many options for e2e encryption where transport encryption is handled outside the server
@silverwizard Do you mean the web server specifically?
@silverwizard Oh, you meant on the client and then relayed through port 80.
@Hypolite Petovan yeah, end to end vs server to server and client to server