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This one is for all the new people on #Mastodon: did you know that the #fediverse has more than just a microblogging replacement? And that they can all interoperate with your Mastodon account?

Check them out!

in reply to Sean Tilley

It’s also worth mentioning that you can integrate your #Wordpress or #Drupal blogs into the fediverse, too! So, you can natively integrate your articles, and replies on the fediverse can show up as comments on them!

WordPress: github.com/pfefferle/wordpress…Drupal: git.drupalcode.org/project/act…

in reply to Sean Tilley

I've been trying to get that Wordpress plug in to work for some years now! If they ever iron out the bugs on that and put a management interface into the dashboard, that would be great!
in reply to Adam

Admittedly, it probably needs some love. If there are any PHP devs willing to pitch it, that project would really benefit.
in reply to ChiefGyk3D

Kind of. They don’t all interconnect on a 1:1 basis, but any status-based platform (Friendica, Hubzilla, Mastodon, Pleroma) can follow accounts there.
in reply to Elias Mårtenson

Good catch! I initially left those off the list, because they’re not quite replacements per se…but, WriteFreely and Plume are 100% worth mentioning also!
in reply to Sean Tilley

Oh, I almost forgot! There’s also a #SoundCloud replacement called Reel2Bits by @dashie ! As far as I can tell, it’s not being actively developed right now, but it works great, and could provide a basis for another music app?
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Sean Tilley
Short answer: yes. Funkwhale has a dedicated mobile app for Android that works brilliantly, and also offers a Subsonic API for other apps.
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si2mev

didn't get it to work easily. Website of funkywhale is not very helpful.

Also you may change Spotify alternative to music streaming alternative. Cause Spotify is not the only big one.

in reply to si2mev

Unfortunately, I can’t edit my status yet, but fair point.

The docs for FunkWhale are pretty good, it’s just a little weird to set up due to being a Django/Python app. I used to run a server, and didn’t have many problems.

docs.funkwhale.audio/admin/ind…

Let me know where you’re getting stuck, and I’ll try to help.

in reply to Sean Tilley

For this non-techie, all these new doors opening up with amazing new worlds that I had no clue existed, due to the kind and courteous tour guides is more than appreciated. The feeling is like Charlie entering the chocolate factory and seeing these amazing creations, courtesy of Willy Wonka.🤣
in reply to InfiniteOne

Thank you! 😁 There’s an enormous amount of potential behind the network. The naysayers often conflate Mastodon with the rest of the network, but have no idea what it’s capable of.

It’s not just a Twitter killer. It has the potential to destroy all corporate silos, and bring a new kind of communication structure to the entire Internet. There’s a lot of hard problems yet to solve, but a lot of awesome things happening.

in reply to InfiniteOne

As someone who's been living in the chocolate factory for years, it's exciting to see new people coming in.

The internet is so much bigger and more full of possibility than the big corporate walled gardens, and I'm thrilled to be able to share that discovery!

in reply to crown

It has a pretty decent UI. It’s not perfect, but it’s a lot better than previous releases. I plan on doing some theme development for it, eventually.
in reply to Sean Tilley

i only saw fika.grin.hu GUI, but it reminds me the websites around 2000. it's the myspace version of facebook? :)
in reply to crown

We’re, huh, working on it, but not having frontend people regularly contributing is definitely our Achilles’ heel
in reply to dosch :unverified:

You know, aside from being a place to build a resume, I have never understood the appeal of LinkedIn.

I feel like Friendica might be an okay replacement for the social parts?

in reply to Sean Tilley

Goodness forbids we start receiving bug reports from corporate head hunters. 😰
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Sean Tilley
Yeah, you’ve got me! They all have their differences to their supposed analogues, but I would wager that many fall under the “Good enough” category for most people.
in reply to Sean Tilley

do these sites also "communicate" with mastodon? (looking at bookwyrm now, and not really understanding what these sites are about)
in reply to GrrlScientist ⧖ Ⓥ

I don’t think BookWyrm does, but it still federates using the ActivityPub protocol. That being said, the majority of what I’ve recommended, you can follow accounts on those from Mastodon.

You can literally follow a PeerTube account, watch their video from Mastodon, reply with a status, and the comment shows up on PeerTube.

I have an instance at spectra.video if you’d like to try it out with any random video on there! Just copy a video URL to your Mastodon search bar, and it will show up as a status with embedded video.

in reply to Sean Tilley

well, that's pretty danged cool. i'll have to try that (but first, i must write a thing)
in reply to GrrlScientist ⧖ Ⓥ

A good way to think about it: a long while back, to Twitter and Instagram got into a disagreement. Twitter decided to refuse to show Insta links as rich previews, making it more inconvenient to share pictures with Twitter.

There is no such barrier in the fediverse. You can follow people on Pixelfed and interact as if it were native to you.

in reply to Sean Tilley

Thanks! I didn't know about Pixelfed. I have to look into it.
in reply to Sean Tilley

And contrary to the private GAFAMs trying to hold you captive : they communicate!

You can follow, like and comment a Peertube channel, a Pixelfed account or a Lemmy community from your Mastodon account !!

All this is free without ads, developped and run by volonteers.

Awesomeness.

in reply to Raph J

This is the real power behind the fediverse! It continues to grow and evolve. It may eventually be a challenger to all social media.
in reply to xorman

I’m super excited about that! Federated code forges could end up being a really big deal in the space.
in reply to Brian Henry

The network is a sprawling project, with nearly a decade of development behind it. It very well could end up being the future of the Internet.
in reply to Victor Vanchesa

Sadly, it’s really not. It doesn’t federate with most of the network. Every platform that federates with it had to reverse-engineer it pretty much on their own.

It’s not a bad app, but the current devs refuse to even try out ActivityPub.

in reply to Sean Tilley

@vvanchesa sounds fine if diaspora is its own separate network, i personally dont get the mentality that everything has to be interoperable. it's definitely a facebook alternative still
in reply to opal hart

Yeah, they can definitely do their own thing. I just think they’d reap a lot of benefits if we could all federate.

As a former community manager that tried to get Diaspora to work with other projects or explore new protocols, I can’t help but feel a bit bitter about the outcome.

in reply to Sean Tilley

@vvanchesa do their discussions / threading map well to here, cus friendica kinda fucked up on that front and painted themselves as the black sheep of activitypub adopters
in reply to opal hart

It’s not impossible, but migrating a whole network would definitely be a huge undertaking.

With regards to Friendica, I feel like they mostly worked the kinks out. It took a lot of time and effort, and things like “reshares with additional comments on top” still look kind of janky, but it’s way better than it used to be.

I still have hope.

in reply to Sean Tilley

"Replacement" is a strong word for some of those services. Facebook and YouTube have no replacement yet.
Pixelfed and Lemmy are great tho.
in reply to ₘᵣₒⱼₒ

I’ll concede that there are limitations (network effects, monetization) but as a platform, PeerTube is really solid. It just needs more creators on it.
in reply to ₘᵣₒⱼₒ

until they have mobile apps in the mainstream app stores, we can’t have the “replacement” conversation.
in reply to Magnus Hedemark

Yeah, this is definitely something that could be better. That being said:

  • @pixelfed has an iOS app in beta, and may be doing the same for Android very very soon.
  • @funkwhale has an amazing client app on Android
  • @peertube has a few apps on Android, but they really need more developers, and are kind of unfinished
  • @LemmyDev actually has a brilliant mobile app called Lemmur, and it kind of already rivals the Reddit experience

The rest probably could benefit from good mobile clients, but they offer Open APIs to work with, and generally have good web interfaces for the interim.

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Sean Tilley
It might be good to open an issue, they might be able to help: github.com/pfefferle/wordpress…
in reply to Maren Day 🌊

Closest I could find was WriteFreely and Plume, but they’re kind of sparse at the moment.

A plugin exists for WordPress, but I haven’t had much experience with setting it up these days. It worked for me in the past, though.

in reply to Sean Tilley

I've just imported my most recent GR review into #BookWyrm, but wonder how to get it (or other services) to "interoperate" with my Mastodon?

bookrastinating.com/user/wdcla…

in reply to W.D. Clarke

I was able to pull up a profile by converting a user’s address to a handle (user@domain.tld) and was able to at least pull in the profile.

That said, I couldn’t quite pull in any reviews, maybe it’s a different post type, or maybe I was trying to put in the wrong URL.

in reply to Sean Tilley

interesting, but Friendica, Pixelfed and BookWyrm all seem to want to create new accounts (not looked at the others yet). You can then link back to your Mastodon account?

Would be nice if you could sign in with the same account, but guess that's technically difficult.

in reply to Robert Pickering

What I meant was that you can federate seamlessly with accounts on there. You don’t really authorize your Mastodon account onto a PixelFed server. Instead, you follow users on PixelFed from Mastodon, and see their photos in your timeline.
in reply to Robert Pickering

this is probably a really bad idea. One hobby server gets compromised and then all of your accounts are compromised? This is slightly more convenient for hackers than just using the same memorable password everywhere.
in reply to Magnus Hedemark

Yeah, as I said earlier, you don’t authorize your account to another platform. Instead, accounts on one platform can federate with another - you can watch PeerTube videos or see Pixelfed photos from Mastodon, and interact with those posts as if they were native.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Friendica looks like a nice replacement. But what keeps me from using it is the absence of a 'general' server. I don't want to associate with a community I don't know anything about.
in reply to Nick

Generally, this is a challenge for federated communities. I have the benefit of having been in this space for nearly 15 years. My advice is to jump in with a pseudonym to try one out, and see what you find.

That being said, I do generally like Libranet.de.

in reply to Sean Tilley

Hello Sean.

A question please..

In your post what exact markup/steps did you use for the hyperlinks so the link is just the nice human text?

i.e. "Foo" as a the hyperlink
vs. "foo.com"
vs. <a href=www.foo.com>Foo</a>

I'm pretty familiar with html, but can't seem to work this out when I write a post and have a nice inline link.

I am using Tusky. Are you? Or maybe you use the mastadon app?

Any help appreciated...

@dbaman

in reply to dbaman :python: ☁️

So, I’m using a platform called Pleroma which is similar to Mastodon, but architecturally a little bit different. Pleroma allows me to customize my frontend, and also has support for Markdown formatting when I type posts.
in reply to icefyre

OpenLibrary is pretty good, but admittedly does not federate.

Bookwyrm, by contrast, does federate. Apparently, Inventaire also federates now (users have to opt-in, though).

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Sean Tilley
Totally fair!
in reply to A. Sebastian Dietzel 😎🥳

Yeah, this has been a long-talked-about thing. It’s theoretically possible with ActivityPub Client-to-Server API, in the sense that you just run a bunch of frontends that just connect to the same account. It’s an area I’d like to explore more, as I continue to tinker with custom frontends for Pleroma.

Sadly, ActivityPub C2S adoption is kind of limited - Mastodon instead favors its own API for clients, partially because it’s more straightforward for implementors.

w3.org/TR/activitypub/#client-…

in reply to The Other Brook

I honestly have no idea what a full-blown Amazon replacement would even look like.

Do you just mean the book store part? 😛

in reply to Sean Tilley

I wonder: how does the plain old blog with boring text-heavy articles fit in? Should we publish our content to #fediverse in addition to #RSS feed? Does ActivityPub-aware website enable us to do something cool or novel? What is theoretically possible?

Or are we stuck with posting links to websites, the same way we do since forever?
I would welcome any reading recommendations on the topic.

in reply to Mirek Długosz 🕸️🐛

There’s nothing wrong with using both. The main draw for ActivityPub integration with blogs is that you can receive replies (comments) directly from the fediverse itself, and people can read your blog posts directly from their social platforms.

People can also follow your blogs with their fediverse accounts and receive updates in their timelines.

in reply to Rebel :verified:

I haven’t heard of one yet! But, with that being said…

I recall that the beginner’s course One Month Rails literally taught people how to code a very basic Pinterest site. Obviously, getting the federation part to work would require much more effort, but…it’s probably doable / might exist?

in reply to Sean Tilley

is there a link for that course? building an open source Pinterest would be interesting.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Friendica is often described as a Facebook replacement but the UI honestly more closely resembles Livejournal
in reply to Caffe Neko

@caffeneko I'll admit, I have not used LiveJournal since 2004, and have no idea what it looks like now! 😂
in reply to Sean Tilley

Stupid question: How does this interoperation work in practice? Do I need an account on every service I want to use? Is there a howto? #fediverse
in reply to Peter Kraus

@pkraus the short of it: you can follow accounts on different platforms from your own, and their stuff will appear natively in your timeline.

Slightly longer: the platforms I mentioned all use the ActivityPub protocol and have a degree of compatibility. A Mastodon user could, for example, follow a PeerTube channel, watch a video, reply to it from Mastodon, and their comment would appear natively on that video in PeerTube.

in reply to Peter Kraus

@pkraus but no, you do not need an account on every service to follow accounts on those services.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Thanks for putting this list together.

If you don't mind the suggestion, PeerTube is just an app, not unlike [FreeTube](freetubeapp.io/), which works on the desktop. Have you looked into [Invidious](invidious.io/)?

Also, there's another Spotify alternative out there I very much like called [Resonate](resonate.coop/).

in reply to calligraffiti

@calligraffiti the purpose of my list is that these are all federated apps that can allow Mastodon users to follow creators on their respective platforms. They aren't just apps, they are part of this ecosystem.

I'm afraid that none of the alternatives you've listed qualify on that specific criteria, though they are quite cool.

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Sean Tilley
@si2mev It's okay. My recommendation is to hang out, have fun, and explore the network. Over time, you'll get a hang of it.
in reply to Sean Tilley

This is really cool :) thanks for sharing! As a Twitter migrant, I had no idea that the Fediverse was so developed.
in reply to Tiago Espinha

@tiago There's still a fair amount of work to be done to make things smoother and more polished, but we've come a long way!
in reply to Sean Tilley

Meanwhile fediverse oldies:
Twitter replacement: GnuSocial
GnuSocial replacement: Pleroma, Mastodon
in reply to Bricky

@thatbrickster @hj Nah, misskey is probably a replacement to some obscure Japanese social thing.
in reply to Den Datafag Trollmann

@hj @thatbrickster Never I guess, just add the cat ears on your avatar, or use some kind of frontend/client thing using emoji in display name or account field.
in reply to Haelwenn /элвэн/

C2S AP + AP server that just stores whatever JSON-LD things are passed to it
in reply to Lightning Bjornsson

@lightning @ignaloidas @hj @thatbrickster Because to me email with decent management of massive lists is Usenet.

(I hate mailing-lists so much on a technical perspective…)

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Adam
@perigee Same here. I need to find time to troubleshoot to try to narrow down the issue for a more-informative Github post. Maybe it's because I'm using an IIS server.
in reply to Sean Tilley

i remember meeting you on Diaspora back in the day ... which means we've both been in the Fediverse since before there officially *was* a fediverse :)
in reply to Jon

@jdp23 Actually, funny enough, the fediverse started with StatusNet. Identi.ca was the most popular instance for a very, very long time.
@Jon
in reply to Sean Tilley

but was it called the fediverse then? i was on identi.ca for a while but don't remember hearing the term either there or Diaspora
in reply to Jon

@jdp23 You know, I don't think I really heard the term much until StatusNet became GNU Social. But, I believe the term was coined by Evan Prodromou at some point.
@Jon
in reply to Eric Redegeld

@redegelde Pixelfed has something called Moments, which is apparently capable of doing videos? It might be possible once the mobile app comes out.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Wow, thanks for sharing this. I didn't know about it, but this is cool to find out about. Maybe I should update my upcoming grants... hmm.
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Sean Tilley

@Longplay_Games Instagram used to be a place where people uploaded cool photos. People can still do that there, but there's tons of ads and spam now, and the app tries to do a million things after Facebook bought it. They pretty much made it a mini-Facebook.

Pixelfed is an alternative that's open source and uses the same stuff that Mastodon uses to let servers talk to each other, and because of this, Mastodon users can also follow Pixelfed users and vice versa.

in reply to Sean Tilley

Invidious is also a pretty good replacement for YouTube ☺️
in reply to Abel

@abel it's a great frontend for YouTube, but it still relies on YouTube. PeerTube is actually a federated platform for video that has no such dependency.
@Abel
in reply to Sean Tilley

Whatever happened to Diaspora? That was meant to be *the* Facebook replacement, I seem to recall...
in reply to David Bradley

@sciencebase I used to be the Community Manager. The project still exists, and is actively developed, but they are doing their own thing, and do not want to adopt ActivityPub.

It's completely community-run now, and no longer a startup. I wrote about my experience some here: deadsuperhero.com/planting-a-s…

I have yet to write a Part 2.

in reply to Sean Tilley

youtube.com/watch?v=czhd1eHv6a…

OOOOOH there a Youtube replacement! I don't really see how a spotify replacement can work due to copyright problems but I'll check it out later. =D

in reply to Nando's Brain

@BroCrow I probably should have used more general language. It's more like an open source GrooveShark, where you can store your files privately on a server, and stream it to your mobile client.

That said, people do publicly share the music they made themselves on there! I put up a few tracks on Open Audio, a Creative Commons instance.

open.audio/channels/butterflyd…

in reply to Sean Tilley

FunkWhale themselves say they aren’t a Spotify replacement. That comparison only works if everyone shares copyrighted content.
in reply to stringer

@stringer Yeah, it's more for private streaming of your own files. That being said, people do share their own creations publicly on it...

open.audio/channels/butterflyd…

in reply to Sean Tilley

can you use the same account and have those feeds in the one place?
in reply to Badger In His Sett

@Michael_J_Parry Well, you can use your Mastodon account to follow accounts in all of those places, and you'll see their stuff on your Mastodon timeline.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Diaspora as well can work for Facebook or is that not on the Fediverse?
in reply to Lily

@CounselingTechie Diaspora federates, but not with most fediverse platforms. They are doing their own thing with their own protocol.
@Lily
in reply to SmartyPants

@SmartyPants What people think of as "The Mastodon Network" is actually a lot bigger and a lot more diverse. There are a lot of servers running different programs than Mastodon, and offer different kinds of experiences. But they can still talk together as one network.
in reply to Sean Tilley

Cheers, That's useful.
Are there any algorithms in mastodon?
Like when I respond to your toot, will I see your toots more often?
in reply to Sean Tilley

I know that there are more options too. Just followed a link from here to Invidious, a video platform that looks terrific. (And some parts of the Fediverse do not yet look terrific, but I won't name names and I have confidence in the missions.) What do you think of the ones you've listed? Recommendations?
in reply to Sean Tilley

Are there any links on the interoperation between services? When I went to pixelfed it looked like it wan'ted to set up a new account.

I couldn't find a way to use my mastodon account or link the two? Didn't really seem that much like interoperability to me. Unless I'm missing something?

in reply to Sheepie

@bastardsheep You don't use your Mastodon account to log in to these services. The interoperability is through federation, meaning that your Mastodon account can follow people on Pixelfed, PeerTube, etc, and be able to interact with their stuff from Mastodon.
in reply to Sean Tilley

To add to this, imagine being able to follow your friend's Instagram posts from Twitter, and when you tweet a comment in response, it automatically shows up on Instagram.

That's sorta what this is describing. You can like, follow, or comment on the "Instagrams" and "YouTubes" of this network without ever logging into a separate account. The activity on these different services can all end up in your unified feed.

If you want to post your own "Instagram-like" photos and use that app's features, you'll need to register an account on an instance running that service.

in reply to Sean Tilley

try this, next time you see a #peertube or #pixelfed (or any other federated URL), copy and paste it into your mastodon search bar. It'll find the account and let you follow it. So, you don't log in to THEIR server, but rather you remain on yours and follow them (from yours). It's fucking beautiful.
in reply to Ryan Peters

Try this one on for size: vidcommons.org/w/xeQeWbFDhLvJS…
in reply to Sean Tilley

Thanks. But of course, I have questions.

If I was to join one of those, would it mean that my Mastodon address changed?

in reply to FrankFlobster

@FrankFlobster No. If you joined one of these services, you'd just have another account.

These platforms use the same communication protocol to talk to each other. You can follow any user that's on one of these platforms directly from Mastodon, and interact with them from your home timeline. This includes seeing their posts.

in reply to Sean Tilley

Cool, but to actually use one of them (eg Book Wyrm reading logs), I'd have to log-in with a different account?
in reply to FrankFlobster

@FrankFlobster Yes. There's some ongoing research in being able to do this kind of stuff with one account using the ActivityPub Client to Server API, but few platforms currently support that.
in reply to Shonin

You’ve got a few options.

Element is capable of video calls, and is a federated system using the @matrix protocol.

Jitsi is a bit more Zoom-like, and is pretty easy to use! Not federated, but totally open source.

Nextcloud Talk is a video conferencing platform that integrates directly into the Nextcloud platform. Open source, capable of federation with other Nextcloud servers, tons of benefits from the rest of the Nextcloud platform.

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Sean Tilley
Yes, they use the same activity types. A lot of photographers prefer to use something like Pixelfed for their work. The benefit is that you can follow those accounts from Mastodon, and see / interact with their photos from your own timeline, rather than needing to log into Pixelfed.
in reply to RAIJIN RISING | GhostSecGroup™

Yeah, OwnCast is amazing! I think its streaming is also compatible with PeerTube, which can also do streaming?

OBS works brilliantly with both projects.

in reply to Jürgen Hubert

@juergen_hubert actually, there are two projects for fediverse dating apps already.

github.com/lafnlab/Amore

github.com/Alovoa/alovoa

in reply to Sean Tilley

Thank you for this.

How do you manage all the different identities you get with these services? Should my Mastodon ID boost my Pixelfed images (for example) or can I use one identity across all of them?

in reply to Ben Smith

There isn’t a great solution yet. One workaround, as you put it, is to boost your stuff that you posted elsewhere. It’s a bit tedious, though.

A unified solution is something that I’d love to see, but requires platforms / clients to adopt the ActivityPub Client-to-Server API to make that happen. Unfortunately, it’s not as practical as the Mastodon API that most projects use instead.

A few projects support C2S, so I’m currently exploring the possibility of building unique clients that show different types of posts, with all the data living in one place, under one account.

in reply to ~!

Yeah, I’ve heard it compared to either SMTP or IMAP before. It’s actually not bad to work with at all, but requires a different way of thinking about how to put things together.

It would actually be an interesting experience to write an email-like frontend that exclusively uses C2S.

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Sean Tilley
Hubzilla is absolutely incredible, but is also probably one of the most complex / advanced projects in the entire fediverse. It really needs some UX love. If you’re a power user and have the time to configure it, though, you can build some really wild stuff with it.
in reply to Sean Tilley

You might want to consider adding
writefreely.org/
to your list
in reply to (((Baslow)))

...and I see you did. I blame the current lag time on mastodon.social for having missed it before posting.
in reply to (((Baslow)))

It’s quite alright! It’s kind of a lengthy thread at this point, and not everybody can see every part of it right away. Because of this, I’m more than happy to explain things as many times as I’m asked something. 🙂
in reply to Sean Tilley

and not everybody can see every part of it right away.

@Sean Tilley probably learned that a decade ago on D* @(((Baslow))) :)

Looks like this is make it or break it for the #activitypub protocol and the federation. With some luck we'll loose the overdopamined freaks on the way, those who can't get that sometimes machines just have kinda own life.

Do we have some server load recommendation data and active user comparisons?
Looks like some server are reaching the million user mark?
Should we ask for a call for registry stop for the existing servers, could be even a nice publicity stunt:
"Mastodon closes it's doors, the dance floor is full, make your own instance to join with your followers!"
Image/photo

@Eugen 💀
@Santiago

in reply to Sean Tilley

Great to see you active in the 'verse again and thanks for sharing this list with newbies, but...

@sean
> Facebook replacement: Friendica

... it's really not fair to Friendica to keep making this comparison. Neither the feature set nor the UI of Friendica are anything like modern FB, so calling it a FB replacement just sets people up for disappointment and poor first impressions. IMHO We don't yet have a complete, federated replaced for FB and it's better to just be honest about that.

in reply to Strypey

@strypey
I agree here, we need to be careful with wording.

Rather than saying Friendica is a facebook replacement, we should perhaps think about the services within facebook it does or can replace and promote that.

Of course a lot of people would leave facebook, only they are unable to as they are in touch with people on there who also won't leave due to specific groups or friends.

in reply to Strypey

I guess that’s fair. I just tend to see Friendica’s current resign as very reminiscent of what was good about Facebook’s UI prior to the Big Bad Redesign where it now looks like a PlaySkool interface.

I still think Friendica is a totally viable replacement, if you cut out the chat, games, zillions of client apps, marketplace, moments, and their video offerings.

Yeah, I guess they are pretty different nowadays.

in reply to Sean Tilley

> if you cut out the chat, games, zillions of client apps, marketplace, moments, and their video offerings

In other words, ignore the vast majority of the features people use FB for, then the comparison holds. This is kind of my point ;)

Friendica definitely offers things that Mastodon and other micro-posting platforms don't and it's well worth promoting. I just think if we're promoting fedi tools as replacements for datafarms, there must be a more accurate comparison for Friendica.

in reply to Sean Tilley

I joined Diaspora* a few years ago and I'm a little surprised to not see it on the list. Is that seen as a rival to these Fediverse apps?
in reply to Dave Waghorn

My main motivation was to provide a list of platforms that can all federate together through ActivityPub. Sadly, Diaspora is not interested in adopting that protocol, and can only talk to a few other platforms on the network (Friendica, Hubzilla, and Socialhome come to mind)
in reply to Dave Waghorn

@Dave Waghorn @Sean Tilley Diaspora is not part of the fediverse. It doesn't use ActivityPub (the fediverse protocol) but has its own protocol. Friendica and Hubzilla can work with both.

grin doesn't like this.

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Sean Tilley

I’m writing up a guide to better articulate this, but I’ll give you the short version.

Accounts on the fediverse can talk to each other through federation. If you’re familiar with RSS and feed readers, take that concept and extend it in such a way that the user receiving stuff can directly respond to whatever is in their feed. Instead of just blog posts, it’s also interactions.

Now: every one of the services I listed has user accounts on them. From your side on Mastodon, you can directly follow PeerTube creators making videos, FunkWhale users uploading music, and Pixelfed users sharing photos. In fact, most of these things can directly receive your replies, and turn them into comments on the other side for the creator to see.

Try this: take these links, copy and paste them into your search bar on Mastodon, and watch how they get pulled in as results that you can view and interact with:

Peertube Video: spectra.video/w/kMjshXEGwBiukJ…

Pixelfed Image: pixelfed.social/i/web/post/490…

Funkwhale track: open.audio/library/tracks/1125…

You don’t need an account in these other places to view or interact with these things. You can do it all from the comfort of your Mastodon feed.

in reply to Jutta Eckstein

It’s not perfect on the moderation side, but @matrix offers a really great client for web, desktop, and mobile called Element
in reply to 0xBrewing

It’s not perfect on the moderation side, but @matrix offers a really great client for web, desktop, and mobile called Element
in reply to Sean Tilley

Does #pixelfed do hashtag feeds like mastodon?

As a performing artist, currently most interaction we get is Ig, we're busy, but the audience uses hashtags that we then can boost (share) or pin (story) often from our phones during a break.

Assuming tavern-going folk take to a federated pixelfed and have the app at the ready, would this work the same?

We've been known to have the sousaphone player #livestream from his phone, too. Would that work with P2P streams?

in reply to teledyn 𓂀

Yes, Pixelfed uses hashtags and has a pretty neat discovery system built in!
in reply to Sean Tilley

dumb newbie question: Do I follow myself on those other accounts? Tag myself in posts?Or just pop in an out of them as if they were separate social media platforms?
in reply to Once More Into the Breach

@LowlyAdjunct You can follow yourself, I do that to boost content I made in other places into my personal timeline here. But, you don't need a new account to follow people on other platforms - if I follow a Pixelfed photographer from this account, I'll see their photos and comments, and be able to interact with both! They will also be able to see any photos I posted from my end.
in reply to Sean Tilley

A very quick challenge here with no intent to offend. Funkwhale is not a Spotify replacement. If anyone claims it was, how do they license the music content being posted? I have read their T&Cs and they are basically transferring responsibility to the end user which is beyond grey. Aren't both signed and independent artists rewarded for the usage of their work? I couldn't find a framework or agreement between artists and producers and Funkwhale either. This would constitute theft.
in reply to Ivan 🎧

@ivan No, you're right. I got called on it further up the thread. It's more comparable to GrooveShark, in that you can upload music to a server and listen to it from your device. Still, I consider personal streaming of one's own media a type of replacement.
in reply to naught101

@naught101 long-form posting, lots of utilities based around contact management, groups. In truth, it's closer to the Facebook of maybe 2015, but yeah, it's harder to draw a comparison to the newer designs.
in reply to Sean Tilley

And what about Chat? I am currently using element.io, an awesome matrix client, but I am hesitant to to expose newbies to that product until it's UX is friendlier.
in reply to Shoq

@shoq Yeah, I'm at a loss on this one. I think Element is viable, but there are still plenty of rough edges.
@Shoq
in reply to Sean Tilley

What does "interoperate with your Mastodon account" mean in this context? How do they relate to each other besides using the ActivityPub protocol?
in reply to Lindsay Wardell 🏳️‍⚧️

@lindsaykwardell A pretty good explanation can be found here: social.deadsuperhero.com/notic…
in reply to Sean Tilley

how would i go about using BookWyrm from my Mastodon account here, for an example?
in reply to benjamin melançon

@mlncn That's a good one! The short answer is that generally, you don't. Bookwyrm requires you to have an account on there to make reviews.

That said, you can follow that subsequent Bookwyrm account from Mastodon!

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Sean Tilley

@DaytonTUphold no, it's more akin to GrooveShark, where you stream your own music library from the cloud to a mobile client.

That being said, some musicians upload and share their work in public libraries that you can federate with and listen to.

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Sean Tilley
@srijit MissKey is awesome! The design work on that project is amazing.
in reply to Sean Tilley

awesome list Sean, ty!

can you tell me how you made href links?