Dear "The Atlantic": Don't forget some of us also are just fucking sick of ultrawealthy CEOs. I don't condone or applaud violence. But man, I'm tired of ultrawealthy CEOs in and of themselves. #capitalism #uspol
Fuck The Atlantic. They're all a bunch of glorified stenographers bootlicking their corporate masters. They can go fuck themselves with their pearl-clutching about the "the coarsening of public discourse." Especially since this particular CEO was responsible for tens of thousands of deaths due to denying healthcare so that number go up and his profits soar. But they won't report on that.
@AKingsbury @trashHeap question: Do you not understand that there are collective action problems and the existence of the ultrawealthy means that we can have people who can defect at a scale large enough to make saving the planet impossible?
@silverwizard Yes, there are collective action problems. No, I don't accept the premise of the second half of your question. For one thing, it's unclear; what do you mean by "defect"? What constitutes "ultrawealthy"?
@silverwizard @AKingsbury @trashHeap Or Elon Musk being able to single-handedly take down what was apparently dangerously close to an online commons in the form of Twitter.
@trashHeap I do condone and applaud violence in some extremely specific context. I wish the bullet didn't graze Donald Trump and I'm glad this CEO got what I believe he deserved. But you can count on privileged pricks to partly blame the "discourse" (the symptom) rather than the cause (the power concentration and the accountability trickle down).
It's shocking because it personally reminds me how much I moved away from my own pacifist origins, since Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian war.
I want to be kind of clear too. While I consider myself a pacifist. I believe human beings have a right to self defense. I also believe that while it is rarely, and possibly never a moral good; violence can be a moral necessity. Which is why I stand in solidarity with punching Nazis and with Ukraine. AND why I don't shed a tear for the United Health CEO.
One can recognize it's necessity, have trouble applauding it; but also not condemn it.
I believe pacifism is a highly individualistic personal choice. I don't believe it's prescriptive for others.
AND for me it's grown out of real life experience being on the receiving end of abuse, coercion and threats of gun violence.
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in reply to trashHeap • • •"I'm tired of ultrawealthy CEOs in and of themselves."
Why? I've never understood this kind of hatred, unless it was motivated either by envy or by falling for the fixed pie fallacy.
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in reply to AKingsbury • • •@AKingsbury I'm an anticapitalist AND find the amount of wealth they accumulate disproportionate with their actual value and labor.
And every day, there is a new headline about how their making the world a worse place.
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in reply to AKingsbury • •Do you not understand that there are collective action problems and the existence of the ultrawealthy means that we can have people who can defect at a scale large enough to make saving the planet impossible?
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in reply to silverwizard • • •Yes, there are collective action problems. No, I don't accept the premise of the second half of your question. For one thing, it's unclear; what do you mean by "defect"? What constitutes "ultrawealthy"?
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in reply to Hypolite Petovan • • •That's shocking to read @Hypolite Petovan !
It's shocking because it personally reminds me how much I moved away from my own pacifist origins, since Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian war.
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in reply to Andy H3 • • •I want to be kind of clear too. While I consider myself a pacifist. I believe human beings have a right to self defense. I also believe that while it is rarely, and possibly never a moral good; violence can be a moral necessity. Which is why I stand in solidarity with punching Nazis and with Ukraine. AND why I don't shed a tear for the United Health CEO.
One can recognize it's necessity, have trouble applauding it; but also not condemn it.
I believe pacifism is a highly individualistic personal choice. I don't believe it's prescriptive for others.
AND for me it's grown out of real life experience being on the receiving end of abuse, coercion and threats of gun violence.
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