Computing the picodollar/byte/month price to $/TB/m gets me (using decimal scaling) 250e-12 * 1e12 = $250/TB/m . So yes, expensive as you can get 1TB for about $4 per month at e.g. Hetzner.
Albeit, using fictional constructs such as "picodollars" doesn't exactly make such word problems easier on anyone and is antithetical to sane and easy intelligibility. It's very "BOFH dummy mode ON" terminology that seems on the surface inscrutable enough that average schmoes will more likely raise an eyebrow and roll their eyes that they aren't nerdy enough to grok it.
Moreover, tarsnap is backed by S3/AWS and their egregiously expensive "cloud" pricing for storage. ;-/
I do not believe personally, that Jeff Bezos (aka dollar store Lex Luthor costume cosplayer) deserves another penny ("pico" penny or otherwise) on planet Earth and I go out of my way to boycott everything I can that touches their services (even on the back end if I am aware of it).
Colin seems as if he's pretty technical, which is cool and all, but ethical? I dunno if he operates in that manner. ;(
I also couldn't give a flying fsck about how fast/slow FreeBSD boots in AWS despite whatever minutiae such optimizations have been given in Colin's combing over FreeBSD in an attempt (seemingly valiant, but truly in vain. It is as if he doesn't understand the audience that cares about BSDs?) to try to make FreeBSD in AWS seem more appealing.
A great comparison would be to estimate how much it costs to purchase 1TB in SSD (e.g. NVMe gen5 x4 from Crucial [basically discount Micron brand] in their T705 1TB PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD CT1000T705SSD3 $174.99 current MSRP as of 2024-10-18) and then ask why morons seem to like lighting money on fire for the "convenience" of having data hosted remotely instead of locally for less all in order to line the pockets of some flaming fuckwit?
@florian :flan_hacker: You pay for only what you move. Meaning restoring from backup is $256 - which is the absolute worst possible thing in an emergency.
@florian :flan_hacker: Oh, you're right. They changed their model from when I last looked, so you now pay for storage and for transit. So you pay $256/month and then pay $256 for a restore now?! Wild.
is it that deterministic? I thought its pricing was “we do custom compression and all sorts of wizardry to shrink your backup and lower your cost but we can’t tell you what or how much until you try”.
Michael Lucas
in reply to florian • • •florian
in reply to Michael Lucas • • •@mwl it's right there on the home page:
Storage: 250 picodollars / byte-month of encoded data
($0.25 / GB-month)
I was wondering if my math is not mathing. Or if I'm off by an order of magnitude.
Michael Lucas
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Deduplication cuts it way down, though. Very few of us have 1TB of unique data.
Tarsnap says what it's target audience is. If you want to back up big binaries or video files, it's not for you.
ティージェーグレェ
in reply to otto@openbsd • • •I think florian's math is mathing correctly!
Albeit, using fictional constructs such as "picodollars" doesn't exactly make such word problems easier on anyone and is antithetical to sane and easy intelligibility. It's very "BOFH dummy mode ON" terminology that seems on the surface inscrutable enough that average schmoes will more likely raise an eyebrow and roll their eyes that they aren't nerdy enough to grok it.
Moreover, tarsnap is backed by S3/AWS and their egregiously expensive "cloud" pricing for storage. ;-/
I do not believe personally, that Jeff Bezos (aka dollar store Lex Luthor costume cosplayer) deserves another penny ("pico" penny or otherwise) on planet Earth and I go out of my way to boycott everything I can that touches their services (even on the back end if I am aware of it).
Colin seems as if he's pretty technical, which is cool and all, but ethical? I dunno if he operates in that manner. ;(
I also couldn't give a flying fsck about how fast/slow FreeBSD boots in AWS despite whatever minutiae such optimizations have been given in Colin's combing over FreeBSD in an attempt (seemingly valiant, but truly in vain. It is as if he doesn't understand the audience that cares about BSDs?) to try to make FreeBSD in AWS seem more appealing.
A great comparison would be to estimate how much it costs to purchase 1TB in SSD (e.g. NVMe gen5 x4 from Crucial [basically discount Micron brand] in their T705 1TB PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD CT1000T705SSD3 $174.99 current MSRP as of 2024-10-18) and then ask why morons seem to like lighting money on fire for the "convenience" of having data hosted remotely instead of locally for less all in order to line the pockets of some flaming fuckwit?
CC: @florian@bsd.network @mwl@io.mwl.io
florian
in reply to ティージェーグレェ • • •@teajaygrey we don't do personal attacks around here. Byeeee.
@mwl
silverwizard
in reply to florian • •florian
in reply to silverwizard • • •Storage: 250 picodollars / byte-month of encoded data
($0.25 / GB-month)
silverwizard
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in reply to florian • • •pamela
in reply to Nihl • • •@nihl yeah we were an immediate hard no on the pricing after losing a 1T drive
(I was an additional hard no on dealing with the pricing scheme).
Miod Vallat
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