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muesli mastodon (AP)
If you could end COVID-19 by sacrificing one programming language, which one would you choose and why is it PHP?
Z̈oé :antifa: mastodon (AP)
two birds with one stone
muesli mastodon (AP)
Darn, now that's a dilemma I haven't considered.
I don't know why you misspelled Swift as PHP, but sure, I'd wipe it out.

(alternate: Rust, but that's more a social problem than the hideous language itself)
muesli mastodon (AP)
That's a very good point actually... on the backend of things you at least got a few options.
nice hypothesis, so what if we eliminate RNA
gaurdianaq mastodon (AP)
definitely javascript, or maybe python...

Haven't used enough php to hate it yet, but I've heard stories.
Consider: COBOL. Or given its memory safety issues, C.
ligma male mastodon (AP)
i hate javascript just as much as the next person but if you think it's worse than PHP you're very mistaken
Sifr Nihilum mastodon (AP)
COBOL. Really screw the banks over hard.
kekcoin mastodon (AP)
Do instruction sets qualify as programming languages? They are the language used to make the hardware do what you want, after all. Because, in that case, x86, to maximize damage.
Dissy mastodon (AP)
Is it an option to keep both in sealed vials in my basement, to serve as a threat to future generations?
gudenau mastodon (AP)
I was going to say Python.
If y'all could wait until Monday in that case, I would really appreciate it. 😅 I just need PHP to exist until after this demo 😛
sqrt(-1) mastodon (AP)
can I make a list of possible candidates?
I’d end VBS, VBA, and PowerShell.

Not taking questions at this time. ( :joy_cat: )
jazzyeagle mastodon (AP)
I was going to actually choose COBOL, because that kind of Hell should no longer exist. It is the 21st century, after all.
Can someone explain to me the hate that #php gets? I find it to be a pretty decent and mature oop language. Especially considering its beginnings.
#PHP
Dustin Wilson mastodon (AP)
I'd sacrifice JavaScript, really. It's a language designed for a different purpose than what it is being put to use for today. Things have been added, but it's all mostly syntactic sugar. PHP gets hell for its syntax, but anyone taken a good look at the proposal for declaring private methods/properties in JavaScript? It's so bad the issue tracker for the standard is full of complaints, yet they plowed ahead anyway.
querdenker mastodon (AP)
Oracle, then it's 3 birds with one stone
COBOL. Imagine the world's wealth and debts being gone instantly.
Gray mastodon (AP)
I thought I'd be unpopular for suggesting javascript, but I guess not! Some of the things it's being used for is criminal.
Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)
If you don't use it it isn't a sacrifice, it's an execution.
Netanias mastodon (AP)
I actually prefer PHP over JavaScript.
Axaxaxas Mlö mastodon (AP)
JavaScript. Sorry, not sorry.

Not a bad language in itself, but the most abused language of all time.
Ed Davies mastodon (AP)
C/C++

I'm a bit disappointed there's only one vote for them (thanks @Newpa_Hasai ); their lack of memory safety makes them unfit for all but a tiny niche use (small drivers, embedded code, very low-level OS components) for which most of C++ isn't useful anyway.
Tim Weber mastodon (AP)
Ich hab zu solchem Mist letztes Jahr mal nen Twitterthread geschrieben. Vielleicht regt er dich ja zum Nachdenken an. (Und @skyr, der das geboostet hat, gleich mit.) https://twitter.com/scy/status/1144565925322133505 Und wenn du keinen Bock auf Twitter hast, gibt's diesen Blogbeitrag: https://blog.aurynn.com/2015/12/16-contempt-culture
@Skyr
muesli mastodon (AP)
Grundsätzlich geb ich dir Recht, ... aber:

Nie würde ich einen PHP Entwickler als "Verlierer" oder gar als "dumm" bezeichnen. Ich mache mich auch nicht über PHP Entwickler lustig und versuche ihre Arbeit nicht geringzuschätzen.

Das bedeutet aber nicht, dass ich mich nicht über die Sprache PHP ansich amüsieren kann. Denn ja, ich halte sie für schlecht designed und für grundsätzlich überholt.

Und dieses Recht steht mir meiner Meinung nach auch zu:

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muesli mastodon (AP)
Nicht nur hab ich viele Jahre als PHP Entwickler gearbeitet, ich hab die Sprache selbst vor über 20 Jahren mitgestaltet. Das Recht mich über meine eigenen Dummheiten und Jugendsünden auszulassen wird man mir nicht nehmen können.

In anderen Sprachen zu entwickeln macht dich weder zu einem besseren noch zu einem schlechteren Menschen.

[2/x]
muesli mastodon (AP)
Hefte dein Ego nicht an Gegenstände, Wertsachen, Marken oder gar Programmiersprachen. Sie sind lediglich simple Werkzeuge, die zwangsläufig durch bessere und modernere Werkzeuge überholt werden. So lief es mit PHP, so lief es mit Java, so wird es Rust, Go und allen anderen Sprachen auch irgendwann ergehen.

Fühle dich angegriffen wenn jemand deine Kompetenz auf Grund deiner Sprachwahl in Frage stellt - aber nicht, weil jemand die Sprache selbst kritisiert.

[3/x]
muesli mastodon (AP)
Denn wie dir jeder PHP Entwickler nur zu gern bestätigen wird:

Ja, manchmal ist PHP einfach 'n richtig beschissener Hammer.

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Tim Weber mastodon (AP)
Bin ich bei dir. Ich hab auch nichts gegen Kritik an PHP einzuwenden und will dir das auch nicht nehmen. Auch ich hab jahrelang mit PHP entwickelt und tu es immer noch; ich kenn die Probleme.

Der Ursprungstweet wirkte für mich zu grenzwertig in Richtung Lästern über PHP-_Devs_, was wohl auch an der Kürze und Pointierung lag, aber jetzt wo du die Intention verdeutlichst, habe ich da vielleicht auch einfach zu viel rein interpretiert. Sorry for the noise.
Tim Weber mastodon (AP)
Vielleicht ist das auch Teil dieser perfiden Dynamik des ständigen PHP-Disserei: Man sieht Abwertungen von Menschen, wo es eigentlich nur um Kritik an der Sprache geht. (Die Kritik war nicht konstruktiv, aber das muss sie vielleicht auch nicht sein.)

Wie ich in dem Twitter-Thread schon schrieb: Diese Gewohnheit, sich gleich vorab für PHP zu rechtfertigen, obwohl mein Gegenüber vielleicht gar keine Vorurteile hat.
muesli mastodon (AP)
Einfach mit Bjarne Stroustrup (C++ Erfinder) gehen:

"There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses."

🙂
How come #php is a programming language? From what I heard, it's a scripting language 🤔 Or did it change over the years?
#PHP
muesli mastodon (AP)
Scripting languages are proper programming languages, just for a particular runtime.
Coffee mastodon (AP)
I too, hate Javascript, although PHP is a weird way to abbreviate it, but ok.
Olie mastodon (AP)
100% JavaScript. Doesn't matter if PHP is the better or worse language, JavaScript was the seed that grew up into the absolute hell scape the internet is today.
Remsd1 mastodon (AP)
nope. #Java would win easily.
#Java
Asimech mastodon (AP)
Wait. Am I only allowed to sacrifice _one_ programming language?
jazzyeagle mastodon (AP)
Not exactly what I meant. I meant get rid of all the stuff that is no longer *relevant* in this century. Linux, C/C++, Python... All made in the 20th century, but still relevant today.
raindog469 mastodon (AP)
I would, in all seriousness, give up my beloved perl for a cure, but if I could wipe python (and all other whitespace-significant languages) off the face of the solar system while also curing covid-19, it'd be a really great bonus.

Where did php touch you? Show us on the doll.
magenbluten mastodon (AP)
i would sacrifice golang. the language with the least innovation in it. ( well after lisp & ml, there was no innovation anyways ;) )
Bunny mastodon (AP)
its not its JavaScript
Quincy mastodon (AP)
How is that a sacrifice?
Mr. Teatime mastodon (AP)
Actually, I think I'd add tcl to my list of languages to sacrifice.

Not used it much but had to because ICEM uses it for its scripting interface, and it's incredibly pedestrian. It's also not debuggable within ICEM, so you're down to running some piece of code, see what happens and then maybe change it... there's not even print statements.

I acknowledge that tcl might actually look better in a proper IDE but I still don't see what it can do that a million other languages could not.